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Post  (102)AxXiDeNT on Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:06 am

Hi, as some of you know I'm playing all my PC games on my family's PC, although it's only 2 games ( CoD 4 & MW2) I have noticed that this computer have become slow.

Here is the specs I can find on this PC.

I can't write everything cause I'm not that good with PC hardware so I took a screenshot of a list that I'm pasting here.

Dell Inspiron 531 (Stationary, not the laptop version as some people think)





Feel free to say whatever you like about this, if it is bad for gaming or similiar stuff.

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My budget is 750-1000 Euro. At the moment I only have 200 Euro but I'm saving some money so I can afford this.

So now I need your advice so I can get as much power as possible out of this money Smile


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Post  (102)MaxPower on Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:16 pm

search for a swedish computershop and buy a pc-system ( of course it's cheaper to build it by your own )

i have here a german shop, just to show you what you can buy for ~ 1000€
a powerful system !

http://www.one.de/shop/product_info.php?cPath=128_206&products_id=4131

so dont pay to much !!! you get a lot for 1000€ !!!

this shop works all over europe ( its in english ) and its a bit more expensive like the other,
but a good rated shop with cup's for their good work and service!
Look this PC for example - good price, and you just have to upgrade the graphiccard in maybe 2 years,
to make it up to date! ( its a very good card for now and next time !!! (ATI Radeon 5770 with 1GB))
(Main Memory is more then enough, and CPU is Good enough for many years)

http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=S4IC23

you can spend a bit money in a mouse and keyboard, but dont pay more then 1000€ for a PC.
In my opinion its absolutly not needed and wasted money !


Look for a good shop ! these are just examples what you can get for this money !
So dont let them cheat you !!! Exclamation

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Post  (102)OverPain on Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:11 pm

(102)MaxPower wrote:
i have here a german shop, just to show you what you can buy for ~ 1000€
a powerful system !

http://www.one.de/shop/product_info.php?cPath=128_206&products_id=4131

greetings (102)MaxPower

WoW thats a great offer.
Here in greece the same specification cost 300 euro more
My next pc will be from this site Very Happy

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Post  (102)MaxPower on Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:27 pm

yes, One.de is cheap. But i think they save some money by a cheap case and a cheap Mainboard. ( they buy of course masses of the parts )
If you build your own piece by piece you can save even more money and invest it in an better
CPU- and a better GPU cooling system.

I have a Skythe Musashi on my Card, in my opinion the best and most quiet cooling fan!
(and an EKL Alpenföhn "Zugspitze" on my CPU)

http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Luefter/Scythe/Musashi/44507/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Cooling&l2=Grafikkarten-L%C3%BCfter

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Post  (102)AxXiDeNT on Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:42 am

Okey, so you think that I should buy a complete computer? From Alternate or One.de?

I think you are right about the budget, I'll lower it a bit, but it would be fun to build your own PC though, so I get as much power possible out of the money Smile


So max, if I do want to build my computer, do you have any hardware tips? Like CPU & Videocard/graphics and stuff?
I think it would be fun and challenging to build a PC that's why I want to do it myself Very Happy

One thing I need to know is how to find out which parts is compatible with others and which isn't.

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Post  (102)MaxPower on Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:42 am

if i would buy a new, it could be this one ( no part is overpowered, i think )

case :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/product/details.html?articleId=347912&showTechData=true#tecData = 100€
very good quality for this price ( 1x120 fan front, 1x120 fan back - both very silent, good cooling ) (could be my next, i like it)

Mainboard :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=GUEM02 = 120€
Good and cheap Mainboard ( Tip in c't magazine Germany, but if you're no expert - don't overclock CPU )

CPU :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=HU1I29 = 255€
+ extra fan :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=HXLE54 = 35€
Powerful CPU, great cooler ! Big, but i think you have 2-3 cm space

Graphiccard :
2 versions - the faster, but louder and hotter one :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=JCXVF2 = 270€
and - the bit slower, more quiet and a bit cooler one :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=JCXWF2 = 300€
it's also a decision of personal taste!

Memory :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=ICIF83T2 = 110€
4 GB DDR3 1333 is enough, you can upgrade it when it's needed

Harddrive :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/product/details.html?articleId=403829&showTechData=true#tecData = 55€
( i have this one - silent / low power using and maybe i buy a second one ( if i need one ))

round up ~ 975€ ( prices going up and down; i calculate it with the more expensive Graphiccard )

+ DVD ( BlueRay ) ~ 20€ up to ~ 150€ ( BlueRay )

alternative case ( like mine ) :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=TQXS01 = 60€
I disabled the front-fan, the 25cm fan on the side is enough Smile
alternative CPU :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=HU1I21 = 180€
a smaller Intel i5 , also enough Power (maybe overclocking up to 4x3,6 Ghz (enough and not much hotter)
( both togehter - 115€ cheaper )

This is just One of many combinations !!!
I like it, it's very powerful, all parts are good quality products!
I'm not responsible if you choose this and if you get problems !!!!!
(all products could be delievered and don't work, but alternate normally send you a good working substitude quick)
I'm not responsible for building mistakes and wrong working !!!!
If you build your first PC - try to find a friend or something who knows how to do this!
You have to install different drivers, maybe change the Power supply !!!!
I'm not responsible for any problems, mistakes, dont like its....

watch german alternate site to read the Comments to the parts ( just in german, but... )

you still want to build it by your own ? Very Happy

i wrote 2 hours at this reply, now i'm tired - it must be enough information !!!

EDIT: i forgot the Energy Smile
for example this one ( i would choose one with 600W ) :
http://www.alternate.eu/html/productDetails.html?artno=TN6S10
if this PC runs all with full Power i guess System needs about 450-550 W ( but i dont know it really )

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Post  (102)MaxPower on Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:56 am

(102)OverPain wrote:

WoW thats a great offer.
Here in greece the same specification cost 300 euro more
My next pc will be from this site Very Happy

i found some single prices !

case ~ 33€
energy ~ 20€
mainboard ~ 82€
and no information about the manufacturer from Graphiccard and Memory !

so it sounds better then it is.
first you can throw case,energy direct into the garbage Smile
GPU, Memory, Mainboard can be much different to the Top Products ( in price, power, energy using, temp, sound, quality )


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Post  (102)AxXiDeNT on Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:19 am

Thank you very much max, by the way, I found a swedish computer shop & and they could make sure that all the parts you ordered was working/compatible with each other and they could put it together for 80€ + you get 2 years warranty if the PC breaks down Very Happy
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Post  (102)MaxPower on Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:18 pm

cheers
first: I ordered nothing ! I only made suggestions for fast, balanced and good quality components (in my opinion)
register at alternate, components in the basket, insert correct adress and so on, check the way you want to pay and the way of delievering

second: it's possible that some components don't work, sometimes they're defect (specially memory)
alternate send you (normally) quickly new ones. you're from sweden, so i can't say how long you have to wait for it (if it happens)

third: you have to know whether you can trust those guys ! Exclamation keep the receiptions Exclamation so they cant put you something cheaper inside and they keep the good things by themselves, and check all components when its done whether they're the same you gave them !!!! keep attention if they make scratches on your case or components - less money to pay for you, or whatever. attention to the harddrive - there are shock absorbers, they have to use them ! Exclamation check your system without haste before you pay and sign anything. if they try to hurry you, it's suspicious Exclamation
and very important - you have for every component an own guarantee. If you overclock CPU or GPU, guarantee is gone. If you want to overclock, they have to do it correct, and adjust the energy correct. dont overclock without the extra CPU-cooler (intel cooler is garbage)
whatelse?? mmh ... take time and let them explain the system, it's an expensive and powerful system and you will have it for a looooong time.
you can upgrade it cheap (in a few years) while you only buy some components, or 4 GB more memory and so on. The case and the basic is good to keep it for longer time and good to upgrade it (you dont have to buy a complete new one next time) so i wouldnt overclock anything, its not needed and you're on the saver way without it. install all drivers, they have to show you that memory has the right frequencys, same at CPU,GPU
install a monitoring progam to see your temperaturs and so on. install a fan controlling program to adapt it to Temp. and Volume (you dont need full power for desktop using for example. it's louder then. and you have to think to needed energy - save the earth and your moneybag, save energy! )

much infos, maybe i forgot something, i will think scratch
write it down, translate it for yourself - if you forget something, it's not my fault !!! No
I am curious whether everything works immediately, and how fast and how silent the system is!

be cool if there are some small problems at the beginning, thats normal. be cool generally, you find at every system some small things you dont like
( when you got it new ) i've never seen a PC i've liked 100% at the first days

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if you can't buy it with one order - buy case first Smile but dont forget the deliever expenses ! one order - one time deliever expenses !

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Post  (102)AxXiDeNT on Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:06 pm

Hahahaha, I know it's not your fault if these parts doesnt work, I haven't even ordered anything yet.

And I'm still not sure which parts I should have Smile

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Post  (102)AxXiDeNT on Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:21 pm

Hahaha, I don't want to overclock anything, sounds retarded anyway pig Very Happy

And the shop I told you about who could put the PC together isn't a small company, it's like MediaMarkt (Guess that exists in germany) but they only sell PC & Components.

Anyway, I translated the info on their building service.



Wir bauen einen Computer der optionale Teile, die Sie abholen. Vor der Auslieferung befindet sich in einem Computer-Hard-Funktion zu testen.

E-Mail oder rufen Sie uns helfen, wenn Sie auf einem Computer-Paket, das auf Ihre Bedürfnisse zugeschnitten ist komponieren wollen.

Die Anforderung für uns zu bauen ist, dass man auch kaufen, ein Schrank, dass wir uns nicht auf Mount extra Kühlkörper für Grafikkarten passen.

Inbegriffen in den Kauf von Montage-
- Manuelle Überprüfung Ihrer Bestellung und Feedback über das Telefon, wenn wir Kommentare zu Ihrer Bestellung haben.

- Installation aller Artikel (mit Ausnahme der extra Grafikkarte Kühler).

- Installation von Betriebssystem und alle Treiber (Lizenz muss bestellt werden).

- Funktionstest

- Speziell Kartons ausgelegt, dass auch Versandkosten.

- 1-Jahr zusätzliche Garantie (insgesamt 2-Jahres-Garantie).

Lieferung eines Gebäudes sind in der Regel 10 Werktage nach der Bestellung ist abgeschlossen.


And I can travel to their IRL-shop and pick components there and watch them put it together if I want to Wink
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Post  (102)MaxPower on Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:53 pm

ok!

Exclamation i havent said anything about an extra GPU cooler Exclamation

i've only chosen an extra CPU cooler, for Prozessor. And there is enough space in the case for it! It shouldn't make any problems to built it !
all good CPU coolers are big. the one i've chosen is about 15 cm high, the case is about 20 cm wide - space enough

in my system i have only a few mm, maybe one cm Smile but its ok

so you want to buy the components in your shop ? and they want extra money to build it ? mmmh.. same prizes like alternate ?

all parts fit to each other, all bases are right. and space is enough in this case.

when i choosed them i also read many comments from people who buyed the components. some gave 5 stars, some 3... and they wrote why
they gave them the stars or not. i've spent a lot of time to read the comments and why people like it and why not.
No Product has only 5 Stars assesments.

give them the links to the products ! i like specially the case from Skythe Smile


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